[POLL] $YFI Inflation & Reward Distribution Policy

Inflation … just say NO. There is no need to manipulate the market by introducing inflation. Anybody can influence governance by sharing well thought out ideas and discussion here. This is not a democracy, and this is not a charity.

This tbh. We are interested in providing a highly successful yield aggregator for both centralised and decentralised financial applications. If YFI reaches its full capability, everyone will have access to competitive yield derivatives for a low gas fee.

Why are you [inflationists] pandering to people who have the LEAST financial stake in the protocol to govern the protocol by giving them inflation? If someone wants to get real governance power, and they have the money to do it, let them buy the tokens. Don’t dilute my risk for the man in the street. You will just fracture real governance initiatives that way.

Let the money vote

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Indeed. I don’t hold any MKR, but I have been using their product for years. They don’t have any liquidity mining program. They simply built a useful product to attract $970m TVL.

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I would be in favor of minting 20k YFI to a multisignature account. With 15k YFI earmarked for LPs and 5k YFI earmarked for the DAO.

This way we could burn the minting keys and maintain flexibility over how the 15k YFI for LPs is allocated.

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Finally. Someone that doesn’t talk in circles. This has been one of the most painful threads to read.

Bravo! It’s about the product! Not the tokens! Something I’ve said time and again yet completely ignored by the inflationists.

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Well said! :clap: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/economics/ayn-rand-liberty-v-socialism/ …wisdom is timeless.

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from one of my posts above:

Regarding inflation, the total number of coins distributed over a set period of time does not affect the scarcity of an asset . In this regard, When viewed from outside the system there is no difference between 50K YFI distributed over 5 years and 300K or 1Million YFI distributed over the same time period. The only thing that changes is the distribution of who has the tokens within the system.

I will go further and say that you can even change the timeframe in which those tokens are distributed and it does not change the value of all the tokens combined. It is a fallacy that the supply side of this equation will drive value to the project as a whole. It won’t. The value comes from the utility of the token. The utility of the token comes from revenues generated by yEarn. Nothing else. No scarcity meme will drive long term value to the project unless you can be sure that you have the only scarce product. Anything else is a race to the bottom since the moment a competitor comes out they can have a lower supply. The supply literally does not matter beyond making memes.

Bitcoin may be the only thing that can pull this off as it tries to incept an idea of the value of it’s own scarcity into the world. But in the end, if people don’t use Bitcoin it will not be valuable, whether it has 21 million supply or 21 supply. and yEarn is not Bitcoin.

Inflation is an ongoing process. It is a continual process that is a characteristic of an economy that has to do with an expanding money supply as well as costs of goods and services becoming cheaper. What we are talking about is NOT inflation. Lets call it what it is: Dilution

I am arguing for more Dilution of the supply of YFI than what is currently proposed. I fully understand that I am pushing a boulder up a mountain because this is crypto and no one wants to see “number go down.” But lets be clear, beyond potentially driving interest in the project, more or less issuance does not increase, nor decrease the value of YFI in aggregate or the yEarn product. Again, the total supply does not matter because, extrinsic of other factors, it does not change the amount of revenue that YFI generates.

I am very aware that continually diluting holders of the YFI token is not a good or sustainable option. I am not arguing to continually dilute YFI holders, but I am arguing that we should choose to dilute ourselves now, and for a limited period because it is better for the long term health of the project. After this first dilution, there will be no more dilution. Everyone will know where they stand and people will be able to confidently asses how much of the ecosystem they own.

Why do I think that diluting ourselves is the correct choice? Because crypto is built on an ethos that everyone should have an opportunity to participate and because not doing so will look like governance capture and greed. We have an opportunity to be altruistic put long term goals and goodwill with the crypto community ahead of short term gain, and that is valuable.

I do not think that this should be a charity and understand that it is not a democracy (although to avoid capture the voting mechanisms should be carefully considered). Nothing I am proposing is charity and no one is getting anything for nothing.

troll away.

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Inflation … just say NO

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I understand what you’re getting at and I agree to a point. However I don’t necessarily agree that going with the 50K plan is unfair and violating these principals. Ultimately, for right or wrong, the ship has sailed on a higher rate of issuance. In the long run I think it was still a fair enough distribution, and that the consequences of moving forward with the 50k plan, from a PR standpoint, will not harm the ecosystem.

Please stop with this extremist leftist socialist drivel. If you are a true inflationst dilutionist, then put your money where your mouth is and dilute your own holdings equally to all on-chain YFI addrsses. Otherwise get packing.

We are here to build a serious financial product, not to pander to your utopian collectivist idealism.

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Really don’t think there is any reason to not just vote on a supply cap, burn the minting keys, and then we as a community can get creative to figure out smart effective use cases for the extra YFI.

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Constant debate is going to get us nowhere, and the faster we burn the minting the quicker we can get to really building out this protocol.

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I think this will happen quite soon. The issue is props 10 and 12 must be implemented before anything else can go on-chain.

It may take a few days before emission schedule goes for a vote, but I am hopeful that a 50k issuance hardcap will pass within the week.

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Bravo! I could not agree more!

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The main objective of YFI rewards should be to incentive people to put their yCRV tokens into Balancer pools providing the liquidity needed to push the YFI price up. It’s no coincidence the price raised as everyone switched from the yCRV pool to the Balancer pool to receive the remaining rewards.

Protocol has been out for a week and current proposals substantially reward the people who staked during the first couple days when rewards were crazy. Everyone here is early adopters. People who pool tomorrow are early adopters. This bitcoin halving replica over the course of 10 years seems off.

yCRV only - low risk / low rewards
BAL 98% yCRV / 2% YFI - medium risk / medium rewards
BAL 98% DAI / 2% YFI - medium risk / medium rewards
BAL 80% yCRV / 20% YFI - high risk / higher rewards

In my opinion it should be 30k/week. If you are afraid of being diluted then participate in being a LP. Limiting the protocol just cause you participated the first week of something supposed to last for decades seems short sighted. Already losing a large % of TVL in yearn.finance and curve.fi with rewards stopped.

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Great work @Substreight. I like the 50k max, decaying across 10 years. All for it.

Those who have sold their mined YFI have exchanged (rationally) the short-term gains to add to their stablecoin stack, while those who bought their YFI or retained their mined YFI are looking for something with a tight cap to prevent dilution of their investment.

In time to come, as with all platforms, there will be competition with other yield farms***. YFI is the primary (only) governance token for the platform. In fact, nothing prevents the community from creating (in the future) other reward tokens (whatever they may be) while ensuring YFI supply remains enviably limited (rather than overinflated).

***Already we can see that there was a large $140mil drop (about 1/3) in TVL as pure yield farmers exited.

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Quite frankly, this is the most intelligent takeaway from this whole thread - inflation is important but secondary, if you have maximised incentives to hold YFI and participate in governance.

Yield farmers help to bootstrap liquidity, but it’s like building Bitcoin for miners - they aren’t the primary users ultimately and they aren’t loyal, they just secure the network sufficiently to keep liquidity high for the real users as the ecosystem matures.

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In your own words, you’ve only known about defi 2 days.

And yet you are entitled enough to write a long essay about how we are doing things wrong, ending by saying ‘fuck this club’, because we’re debating over whether or not to subsidise you with free money?

lol

would love to hear @andre.cronje’s opinion on the matter, i strongly suspect too that he would have wanted emission to keep going at a significant rate -he’s probably pretty embarrassed that YFI holders have railroaded his fair launch plan/reputation.

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