# \[POLL\] What's your preferred BTC for a yToken and yVault? **URL:** \ **Category:** Vaults\ **Created:** [27 July 2020 02:56 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124 "2020-07-27T02:56:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pcb3](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/pcb3/32/301_2.png) [@pcb3](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/pcb3)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 02:56 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/1 "2020-07-27T02:56:09Z")
**Description** : > [@yBTC - why not?](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/ybtc-why-not/725/1): > > Yearn (and defi in general) is so far concentrating on stablecoins that represent the standard of the traditional FIAT world: USD. > > In the crypto world, however, the standard is BTC. With wBTC becoming increasingly popular and renBTC finally offering a trustless, decentralised, KYC-free option, I believe it is time to create yTokens and yVaults based on BTC. [EDIT] The poll will close in 6 hours. What’s your preferred BTC for a yToken and yVault? _Poll ([view on site](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/1))_ ---
**Author:** ![weaponx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@weaponx](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/weaponx)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 03:03 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/2 "2020-07-27T03:03:06Z")
RenBTC. Decentralized and its real BTC, not a synthetic. I hope everyone votes for this one. ---
**Author:** ![guybrush](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@guybrush](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/guybrush)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 09:47 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/3 "2020-07-27T09:47:33Z")
Yes other choice may be very stupid ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Cicada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ac8455/32.png) [@Cicada](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/Cicada)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 10:06 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/4 "2020-07-27T10:06:08Z")
Renbtc is the best things ---
**Author:** ![jiecut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/db5fbb/32.png) [@jiecut](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/jiecut)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 10:46 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/5 "2020-07-27T10:46:04Z")
Not sure if renBTC is scalable enough to support this. ---
**Author:** ![hc.link](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/hc.link/32/181_2.png) [@hc.link](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/hc.link)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 11:28 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/6 "2020-07-27T11:28:35Z")
Maybe a renBTC wBTC balancer pool if there is not enough liquidity. It should be mostly renBTC though. ---
**Author:** ![pcb3](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/pcb3/32/301_2.png) [@pcb3](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/pcb3)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 11:34 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/7 "2020-07-27T11:34:13Z")
Depends on the use case. renBTC is particular good for high velocity transactions, that mint and then burn again in relatively quick succession. It is not as good at holding BTC in custody for long periods. A solution could be to use a custodial option like WBTC for vaults or long-term locks, and renBTC for creating liquidity for yearn through chain interop. One thing to note is that the scalability of renBTC depends on the value of the collateral bonded in the network which is directly tied to the price of the token. Increased volume through the network, leads to increased fees and token price appreciation, that in turn, helps scale the network. One single approach will not work but we can adopt whatever product meets our requirements. ---
**Author:** ![cryptoyieldinfo](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/cryptoyieldinfo/32/363_2.png) [@cryptoyieldinfo](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/cryptoyieldinfo)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 15:20 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/8 "2020-07-27T15:20:21Z")
renBTC. wBTC is held in custody in Bitgo. Their security is probably OK but risk of problems with US law around bitcoin, especially if it does start to threaten vested financial system. No need to take these risks. renBTC will scale as we and others use it. It is better. ---
**Author:** ![\_svverve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/bc8723/32.png) [@\_svverve](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/_svverve)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 19:19 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/10 "2020-07-27T19:19:15Z")
I would second tBTC if/when possible. At the same time it will be a newer live implementation - last tBTC release had to be rolled back on some issues. RenBTC is the clear alternative for now until we can ensure tBTC releases safely. ---
**Author:** ![Joey](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/joey/32/350_2.png) [@Joey](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/Joey)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 19:42 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/11 "2020-07-27T19:42:34Z")
This is misinformation. tBTC is not more trustless in its final form than ren. ---
**Author:** ![statelayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8baadc/32.png) [@statelayer](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/statelayer)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 20:11 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/13 "2020-07-27T20:11:35Z")
it definitely is, it’s backed by ETH instead of REN. ---
**Author:** ![Joey](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/joey/32/350_2.png) [@Joey](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/Joey)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 20:35 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/14 "2020-07-27T20:35:42Z")
You clearly have zero understanding of sMPC and I dont have time to explain right now. RenDAO (aka the darknodes) have levers why there wont be more renbtc than ren collateral. Also you need to consider is the value of ren to darknode holders the same as market value? ---
**Author:** ![Berni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/13edae/32.png) [@Berni](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/Berni)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 20:36 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/15 "2020-07-27T20:36:30Z")
because tokenomics are here to make sure that such an event wont occur at any time ---
**Author:** ![milkyklim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3be4f8/32.png) [@milkyklim](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/milkyklim)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 20:49 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/16 "2020-07-27T20:49:25Z")
Decentralization aside, can anyone bring numbers to the table? e.g. - Which (x)BTC has highest trading volumes? - Is it the most popular one? Would it make sense to add it first? ---
**Author:** ![experience](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/experience/32/370_2.png) [@experience](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/experience)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 21:06 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/17 "2020-07-27T21:06:54Z")
Without entering into the tribalism zone, I have to say that adding anything that isn’t trustless with **fully open source code** and decent battle testing in terms of cumulative total value locked over time is a complete no go. There is no suggestion in this poll that fits that criterion. Ironically, wBTC would likely be the best option even though it is federated custody since at the very least it has been holding a lot of value for a while without any issue. I would still vote against it though. It really isn’t a good look for the space when communities striving for decentralization, trustlessness and censorship resistance adopt primitives that are neither of these. ---
**Author:** ![devops199fan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/devops199fan/32/15_2.png) [@devops199fan](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/devops199fan)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 21:12 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/18 "2020-07-27T21:12:38Z")
@milkyklim data ftw [https://btconethereum.com/](https://btconethereum.com/). top 3 right now by circulation: ![Screen Shot 2020-07-27 at 2.12.10 PM](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/yearn/original/1X/af6c447244c70604d38ad0cd57ee4c4246d12224.png) ---
**Author:** ![Joey](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/joey/32/350_2.png) [@Joey](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/Joey)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 21:39 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/19 "2020-07-27T21:39:03Z")
This is not the full picture. RenBTC is also supported by 0x and kyber with pools, same as wbtc. Please consider that afaik no other xBTC is supported by massive liquidity pools ---
**Author:** ![devops199fan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.yearn.fi/devops199fan/32/15_2.png) [@devops199fan](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/devops199fan)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 21:41 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/20 "2020-07-27T21:41:15Z")
There are certainly other massive liquidity pools: ![Screen Shot 2020-07-27 at 2.40.13 PM](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/yearn/original/1X/cb6722a83ebab5d444d468ba6232c8fcd0ff8856.png) [https://beta.curve.fi/ren/](https://beta.curve.fi/ren/) ![Screen Shot 2020-07-27 at 2.40.45 PM](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/yearn/original/1X/f520833752ff156a6b74bc896e5b06b7b751fc6e.png) [https://beta.curve.fi/sbtc/](https://beta.curve.fi/sbtc/) 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![milkyklim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3be4f8/32.png) [@milkyklim](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/milkyklim)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 21:45 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/21 "2020-07-27T21:45:10Z")
I would appreciate claims being supported by numbers or resources\links. > Please consider that afaik no other xBTC is supported by massive liquidity pools How massive are these liquidity pools? ---
**Author:** ![abdfht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@abdfht](https://gov.yearn.fi/u/abdfht)\ **Post date:** [27 July 2020 22:09 UTC](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124/22 "2020-07-27T22:09:43Z")
You don’t have to worry about the security just cuz the value of renBTC minted in the system is greater than the value of ren bonded(not staked), cuz ren protocol now is in mainnet subzero and the system is secured by Greycore(you will have more info in the monthly update about greycore and its expected to be released anytime those days). [Next page](https://gov.yearn.fi/t/poll-whats-your-preferred-btc-for-a-ytoken-and-yvault/1124.md?page=2)